Should White Center be annexed by Seattle? Informational talk will be Mar. 17


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Should White Center be annexed by Seattle?

An informational talk dedicated to the topic of potential annexation of White Center by the City of Seattle will be held at Dubsea Coffee on Thursday, March 17, from 5:30-6:30 p.m.

Hosted by Kenny Pittman of the City of Seattle, joined by a representative from King County; they’ll share information and field your questions and comments.

“All are welcome at the table.”

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We’re curious what our Readers think of becoming part of Seattle – if you haven’t already, please take our Poll below:

How would you vote if Seattle wanted to annex White Center?

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WHEN: Thursday, March 17, 5:30 – 6:30 p.m.

WHERE: Dubsea Coffee, 9910 8th Ave SW, White Center 98106

INFO: For more info please contact [email protected]


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45 Responses to “Should White Center be annexed by Seattle? Informational talk will be Mar. 17”
  1. Top Hat Area says:

    Did you know this? If you have Rentals. This was taken from one of the Blogs in West Seattle.

    The Seattle City Council created an ordinance that requires all rental properties be registered with the city of Seattle. This rolled out a few years ago and, if you’re like me, you may recall hearing about it and assumed it was for folks who had multiple rental properties and did not apply to those who just have one rental or a mother-in-law apartment they’re renting out…WRONG!

    The Rental Registration and Inspection Ordinance (aka RRIO) requires all rental properties, including attached dwelling units (aka mother-in-law apartments) to be registered with the City of Seattle.

    The deadlines to register your Seattle rental home depends on the zip code the property is located in. Beach Drive rentals with a zip code of 98116 have until September 30, 2015 to register their rentals. Rental properties with a zip code of 98136 have until June 30, 2016 to register.

    The cost to register a 1-unit rental is $175. The penalties to not register your rental home are a steep $150 per day for the first 10 days, climbing to $500 per day after that.

    The city will also require that your rental be inspected by either a City inspector or one that you hire (who has been approved by the City).

    I recently wrote about this on my other blog and I’ve been surprised at how many Seattle landlords are not aware of this ordinance.

    So if you have a rental unit in the City of Seattle, you need to learn more about RRIO. For more information or to register your property, click here.
    Filed Under: Politics, Real Estate Tagged With: rentals, rrio

    • Question Mark says:

      Full disclosure, I don’t live in North Highline/White Center, but I do live in unincorporated King County.

      What I don’t understand is why, with the significant level of disinterest the county local government has been showing to urban unincorporated areas the hue and cry and political conversation only seems to transpire when someone drops the A-bomb (annexation). As if local government could get any worse, or neglect any greater under another government …

  2. Top Hat Area says:

    Here is a post taken from the West Seattle Blog Forum Board.

    I use water efficiently as well and don’t water my grass. My bill is already close to $400 so I can’t afford to water anyway. 4 people so I guess our water usage is from showers and laundry. Only wash on full loads.

    Wondering if there water bill is normal or not.

  3. Top Hat Area says:

    No, we should not be annexed to Seattle. I for one cannot afford to live in Seattle.
    If you annex to Seattle, every thing is going to cost you a lot more money. Your property taxes will go up, your state sales tax will increase, you will pay more for your car tabs, If you have a Business, you will pay more for Business & Occupation Tax, plus you will have to re-new your Business License every year.
    All of your utilities will be higher as far as water, sewer and garbage. If your waste cans are not set 2 feet apart, you will be charged an additional fee, if you have recycling in your garbage can, vice versa you will be charged an additional fee.

    Make sure you read the post on Rental’s. That will affect anyone who has a rental in North Highline. The schools will remains Highline, the library might change to Seattle, Permits and Zoning will become Seattle, Fire and emergency services, will become Seattle, Animal control will become Seattle, Police service will become Seattle and there having a hard time funding there own Police department and are short handed. Court services will become Seattle unless it’s small claims.

    I am not a registered voter, but I would register just to vote against this Annex. North Highline, does annex to Seattle, I would be the first one to put my house on the market and get out.

    Don’t let them not tell you everything that is going on with this Annex. If you noticed, the Rental Property came from another blog, that most people probably don’t even read.

  4. Question Authority says:

    I’m all for it because it would bring that renegade area under some form of civil governance and clean it up. Services cost everybody and that whole area needs what Seattle can bring it, and out of the gutter.

    • Patricia Welch says:

      Its too bad that people voted against Burien. We would have been better off. I know so many who live in Seattle and the extra taxes they pay is high. My husband and I are on limited funds now that we are retired and we know already are property taxes will go up and so will sells tax. There are transportation taxes and other hidden taxes. Seattle will not give us extra police protection look at what is happening in the Rainier District. They cant help them how do you think they will help us. The roads in Seattle (just drive down beach drive and 35th.) are in horrible shape, Our roads are not nearly as bad. Wake up White Center, Seattle is not the answer.

      • Top Hat Area says:

        Thank you Patricia for agreeing. Hopefully many more of us will agree and vote it down. I am in the same boat. On a limited income due to retirement and I can’t afford to live in Seattle.

        I for one cannot afford to pay $400.00 for a two month water bill or have any more increases to what I am paying for now.

        I also know several people who live in Seattle and are always talking about how expensive it is.

  5. Grayson says:

    So North Highline voted heavily against joining Burien, and King County is requiring unincorporated urban areas to join a city. If not Seattle, then what’s the alternative? It’s not like White Center can be its own city…

  6. Top Hat Area says:

    Voting on this poll should only be open to residents who live in North Un-incorporated Highline and so should comments.

    Residents of outlying areas should not be able to cast a vote on this poll or make comments.

    One of these commenters lives in Burien. He post comments all the time on the Burien Blog.

    • Jimmy says:

      Interesting that after Pat lamoine has been making posts on the b-town blog and other local blogs for years now about how bad of idea any annexation is. That you think anyone out side of White center should not be able to comment on this situation. So basically just because you don’t agree with what these people have to say you want to take there first amendment rights away.

    • Question Authority says:

      Being that I live in an adjoining area gives me the right to weigh in on what may affect my own property values and crime ratio. That area needs all the help it can get, just drive through downtown Rat City and the obvious need presents itself. The Locker Room sidewalk crowd to the junkies laying about must make you proud to live there.

      • Top Hat Area says:

        Because you live in Burien and don’t want the riff raff. Burien in no better then White Center.
        Well, it’s in your neighborhood too. It’s everywhere and you can’t run and hide from it.
        Just look how many foreclosures are in Burien, or how many businesses have left, because of rent. I do very little business in Burien, because I would rather give my money to my community.

  7. Muchlove says:

    ARE THEY EXPECTING MINIMAL TURNOUT? Dubseas capacity is minimal at best. Should have been a larger venue.

    • Question Authority says:

      There’s only just enough room for the ESL translators for the neighborhood.

  8. BlairJ says:

    I live north of Roxbury, and consider White Center to be my neighborhood business district. What goes on south of Roxbury will continue to affect me regardless of what happens with annexation. I think people on both sides of the NHUA boundaries need to be a part of this discussion, but that those of us outside of the NHUA should state that fact. The pole, however, asks, “How would you vote…” so only residents of NHUA should respond to it. I plan on stopping by DubSea on the 17th, but if it’s too crowded, those of us who do not live in NHUA should step outside to make room for those who do.

  9. Top Hat Area says:

    Taken from the Seattle Times yesterday

    Seattle’s plan to annex White Center gets boost
    Originally published March 3, 2016 at 8:13 pm Updated March 4, 2016 at 10:30 am

    Seattle Mayor Ed Murray aims to move ahead with a plan to annex White Center now that the state Legislature has approved the help he wanted.
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    Seattle Times staff reporter

    Residents of White Center and the rest of the unincorporated North Highline area could vote as soon as next year about whether to become Seattleites.

    The Legislature agreed this week to redirect more than $7 million in state sales taxes to Seattle each year for six years if the city annexes the area.

    The money would help the city cover costs associated with the annexation, letting Mayor Ed Murray move ahead with a plan that’s been on hold for a number of years due to inaction in the Legislature, he said Thursday.

    “This is about unifying a community that’s been divided for too long,” Murray said Thursday.

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    The annexation area abuts the Seattle neighborhoods of Highland Park and Roxhill.

    For more than a decade, King County officials have been seeking annexation for densely populated but unincorporated communities surrounded by cities, and the North Highline area that Seattle may annex is one of the last “urban islands” remaining.

    In 2009, Burien annexed the southern portion of North Highline and then-Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels sought to annex the northern portion. But the Seattle City Council said no. In 2012, Burien tried to annex the northern portion, but voters there said no.

    Murray now hopes to complete what Nickels couldn’t. Seattle submitted notice of its intent to the state Boundary Review Board for King County in December. If the board signs off, the Seattle City Council would decide whether to send the question to the ballot in unincorporated North Highline. That vote would occur no earlier than 2017.

    The City Council last summer supported the notice of intent, but four new members were elected in November, and there’s no guarantee the council will support annexation.

    Between 17,000 and 18,000 people live in unincorporated North Highline, which is more diverse and less affluent than King County overall, according to county officials.

    For example, White Center’s population in 2011 was 37 percent white, 24 percent Hispanic, 21 percent Asian, and 10 percent black, according to officials; 25 percent of residents lived below the poverty line, 13 percent were college graduates, 33 percent were foreign-born and 47 percent spoke a language other than English at home.

    Those people have been receiving less robust services than their neighbors in Seattle and Burien because the county’s government is designed to provide regional and rural services, not urban services, said Karen Freeman, a county policy analyst.

    “Cities have the appropriate funding tools to raise money for urban areas,” Freeman said, mentioning utility taxes, business-and-occupation taxes and sales taxes.

    “Cities have a four- or five-legged stool. We have a two-legged stool — school taxes and property taxes. We don’t have the right tools to serve these areas,” she added, saying urban islands lack sufficient policing, road maintenance and homeless services.

    Murray said annexation makes sense for residents. The mayor said the area’s land owners would see their property taxes decrease.

    “We can offer more services to an area that’s extremely diverse with a lot of new Americans,” he said. “There’s a social-justice issue here, too. We have a large immigrant population sitting there unincorporated. I think that’s just wrong.”

    Justin Cline, who owns Full Tilt Ice Cream in White Center, said he would support Seattle annexing the area because “the county is doing the bare minimum.”

    “Somebody has to annex it,” he said. “We’re not getting a lot. Roads, funding for special projects. The sheriff has been doing a great job, but he’s underfunded. We don’t have regular patrols here. There’s no structure to support local businesses, no outreach to homeless people in the area, no mental-health or drug treatment.”

    Cline already pays his White Center workers what he pays workers at his Seattle stores, so Seattle’s higher minimum wage wouldn’t require an adjustment, he said, though it would affect other businesses there.

    He does worry about the city neglecting White Center the way he says officials have neglected South Park, a blue-collar Seattle neighborhood nearby. That’s a concern shared by Barbara Dobkin, president of the North Highline Unincorporated Area Council.

    “There are so many neighborhoods in Seattle right now with so many needs,” Dobkin said. “People around here wonder where our needs are going to fall in line.”

    Public schools in the area would still be part of Highline Public Schools unless Seattle Public Schools sought to take them over, and White Center likely would become one of Seattle’s urban villages designated for dense new development, she said.

    Dobkin said she thinks taxes and other costs would increase, not decrease. She said crime rates in the area are lower than rates across the Seattle border.

    “There are more questions than answers,” Dobkin said, pointing a finger at county officials for allowing the area to suffer. “We need to have an honest conversation.”

    West Seattle Blog wrote about the potential annexation after a city official recently briefed the Westwood-Roxhill-Arbor Heights Community Council on the issue.

    Amanda Kay Helmick, who co-chairs the group and lives just over the Seattle border from unincorporated North Highline, is hoping the annexation goes through and said officials should be incorporating that possibility into their long-term planning for the city.

    “Everyone here goes to White Center. People don’t even realize it isn’t part of Seattle,” she said. “But when you cross over, who do you call about parking, garbage on the street, a homeless guy who needs help? This would help build community.”
    Daniel Beekman: 206-464-2164 or [email protected]. Twitter @DBeekman

  10. Top Hat Area says:

    Taken from the Seattle Times yesterday

    Seattle’s plan to annex White Center gets boost
    Originally published March 3, 2016 at 8:13 pm Updated March 4, 2016 at 10:30 am

    Seattle Mayor Ed Murray aims to move ahead with a plan to annex White Center now that the state Legislature has approved the help he wanted.
    Section Sponsor
    Share story
    By Daniel Beekman
    Seattle Times staff reporter

    Residents of White Center and the rest of the unincorporated North Highline area could vote as soon as next year about whether to become Seattleites.

    The Legislature agreed this week to redirect more than $7 million in state sales taxes to Seattle each year for six years if the city annexes the area.

    The money would help the city cover costs associated with the annexation, letting Mayor Ed Murray move ahead with a plan that’s been on hold for a number of years due to inaction in the Legislature, he said Thursday.

    “This is about unifying a community that’s been divided for too long,” Murray said Thursday.

    The annexation area abuts the Seattle neighborhoods of Highland Park and Roxhill.

    For more than a decade, King County officials have been seeking annexation for densely populated but unincorporated communities surrounded by cities, and the North Highline area that Seattle may annex is one of the last “urban islands” remaining.

    In 2009, Burien annexed the southern portion of North Highline and then-Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels sought to annex the northern portion. But the Seattle City Council said no. In 2012, Burien tried to annex the northern portion, but voters there said no.

    Murray now hopes to complete what Nickels couldn’t. Seattle submitted notice of its intent to the state Boundary Review Board for King County in December. If the board signs off, the Seattle City Council would decide whether to send the question to the ballot in unincorporated North Highline. That vote would occur no earlier than 2017.

    The City Council last summer supported the notice of intent, but four new members were elected in November, and there’s no guarantee the council will support annexation.

    Between 17,000 and 18,000 people live in unincorporated North Highline, which is more diverse and less affluent than King County overall, according to county officials.

    For example, White Center’s population in 2011 was 37 percent white, 24 percent Hispanic, 21 percent Asian, and 10 percent black, according to officials; 25 percent of residents lived below the poverty line, 13 percent were college graduates, 33 percent were foreign-born and 47 percent spoke a language other than English at home.

    Those people have been receiving less robust services than their neighbors in Seattle and Burien because the county’s government is designed to provide regional and rural services, not urban services, said Karen Freeman, a county policy analyst.

    “Cities have the appropriate funding tools to raise money for urban areas,” Freeman said, mentioning utility taxes, business-and-occupation taxes and sales taxes.

    “Cities have a four- or five-legged stool. We have a two-legged stool — school taxes and property taxes. We don’t have the right tools to serve these areas,” she added, saying urban islands lack sufficient policing, road maintenance and homeless services.

    Murray said annexation makes sense for residents. The mayor said the area’s land owners would see their property taxes decrease.

    “We can offer more services to an area that’s extremely diverse with a lot of new Americans,” he said. “There’s a social-justice issue here, too. We have a large immigrant population sitting there unincorporated. I think that’s just wrong.”

    Justin Cline, who owns Full Tilt Ice Cream in White Center, said he would support Seattle annexing the area because “the county is doing the bare minimum.”

    “Somebody has to annex it,” he said. “We’re not getting a lot. Roads, funding for special projects. The sheriff has been doing a great job, but he’s underfunded. We don’t have regular patrols here. There’s no structure to support local businesses, no outreach to homeless people in the area, no mental-health or drug treatment.”

    Cline already pays his White Center workers what he pays workers at his Seattle stores, so Seattle’s higher minimum wage wouldn’t require an adjustment, he said, though it would affect other businesses there.

    He does worry about the city neglecting White Center the way he says officials have neglected South Park, a blue-collar Seattle neighborhood nearby. That’s a concern shared by Barbara Dobkin, president of the North Highline Unincorporated Area Council.

    “There are so many neighborhoods in Seattle right now with so many needs,” Dobkin said. “People around here wonder where our needs are going to fall in line.”

    Public schools in the area would still be part of Highline Public Schools unless Seattle Public Schools sought to take them over, and White Center likely would become one of Seattle’s urban villages designated for dense new development, she said.

    Dobkin said she thinks taxes and other costs would increase, not decrease. She said crime rates in the area are lower than rates across the Seattle border.

    “There are more questions than answers,” Dobkin said, pointing a finger at county officials for allowing the area to suffer. “We need to have an honest conversation.”

    West Seattle Blog wrote about the potential annexation after a city official recently briefed the Westwood-Roxhill-Arbor Heights Community Council on the issue.

    Amanda Kay Helmick, who co-chairs the group and lives just over the Seattle border from unincorporated North Highline, is hoping the annexation goes through and said officials should be incorporating that possibility into their long-term planning for the city.

    “Everyone here goes to White Center. People don’t even realize it isn’t part of Seattle,” she said. “But when you cross over, who do you call about parking, garbage on the street, a homeless guy who needs help? This would help build community.”
    Daniel Beekman: 206-464-2164 or [email protected]. Twitter @DBeekman

  11. Top Hat Area says:

    Can you afford a $400.00 water bill for 2 months for a total of 4 people? Like some of us, we are retired and on a limited income.

    How many businesses will close because of higher rent, taxes or they can’t afford to pay employees $15 an hour for employees.

    I believe that Seattle wants to annex North Highline, because of the money that they will receive. Quite an increase from what Burien was going to get. There looking for $$$ from us. I also believe that if we are annexed, that the area will be neglected.

    Maybe even become a Ghost town, because of people wanting out of the community because they can’t afford to live here or business closing.

    Dobkin said she thinks taxes and other costs would increase, not decrease. She said crime rates in the area are lower than rates across the Seattle border.

    “There are more questions than answers,” Dobkin said, pointing a finger at county officials for allowing the area to suffer. “We need to have an honest conversation.”

    Seattle has enough of there own problems without adding more to it.

    • Jimmy says:

      Wow one persons house has a $400 water bill and you claim everyones bill is going be that much really. So because this one house that has a leaky faucet or a water meter that is UN-readable or has a malfunction a simple problem to fix. So this one household needs to call there water district and say hey for some reason my water bill is $400 and we don’t use that much water there got be a issue here. Maybe they need call a plumber. I know from personal experience a leaking bathtub faucet even just a drip or two every few seconds can fill a bath tub in a day or so. I also remember when burien was trying to annex white center and people like pat lamoine and others try to say burien was going charge more for taxes. Also you try to blame the foreclosure’s in the area on taxes and fees when we all know how the housing/bussiness market has been it’s still recovering. Now you also says theres not much new business going on in burien I suggest you check out the b-town blog some time every couple months it seems as their has been some type of new business opening up.

  12. phuck says:

    Bring on the City of Seattle, the only choice that can bring the services that White center needs. Vote yes for the City of Seattle.

  13. CC_Rez says:

    Adding my two-cents as an outsider of WC Community, I would strongly encourage everyone to vote NO against annexation. I’d encourage WC to think about incorporating on it’s own. The problem with annexing with Seattle is that residents will now have to worry about Seattle’s baggage, which is a lot. And when I say baggage, I mean higher taxes to fund all these excess programs, and all the other messed up policies that is driving long term residents out. Not to mention, with Seattle’s 15 min wage, it will be more expensive for businesses to operate in WC. And WC is home to many small ethnic businesses that don’t make as much money as your typical hipster business in Seattle. Annexing to Seattle would most definitely hurt these types of businesses and could jeopardize the diversity of the community. As a smaller community, I think that WC can accomplish a lot more on its own instead of waiting in line like all the other neighborhoods in Seattle. I would almost be more supportive to bringing back to the table annexing with Burien again, or maybe with Tukwila. Good luck to you WC! You can do this on your own with good leadership.

    • Question Authority says:

      White Center has absolutely no chance of incorporating itself as that whole area has a negative cash flow. The overwhelming need for social services and assistance for the poverty laden area would never balance out with the the taxes generated. Tukwila has enough to do already than take on the farthest area from it, and Burien already thankfully threw out that idea long ago. Take the Seattle offer, taxes are based on property values and Rat City has extremely depressed market appeal but Seattle’s support system would still be there for you.
      Higher wages are coming, that’s a poor excuse to not look at the big picture and realize that area is not an island and will wither away without a hand being offered.

      • CC_Rez says:

        @Question Authority I find your handle to be very ironic given that you’d think that WC would need to annex to The City of Seattle, where there are so much politics and red tape around their politics. I heard or read from a bit that Seattle would get additional $5M in funding from the State of WA. Whether that is yearly or one time, I’m uncertain. If that was the case, I could see a smaller city like White Center/Highline being able to appropriate those funds in a more efficient manner to their own community. White Center is basically at the doorstep to Seattle. I mean they even have their name on their address. Given the already booming and expensive Seattle, a smaller White Center/Highline city would be a great alternative. The City of Seattle has a lot to gain from annexing White Center/Highline as an expanded tax payer base to fund all of their numerous and frivolous projects. WC Rez, should just say NO, and hold onto their own taxes.

        • Question Authority says:

          The State has offered Seattle something like 6 or 7 million dollars per year for 5 years from what I read elsewhere. My figures may be slightly off but it amounted to 25-30
          million to be spent on the area as incentive to take it on. That alone is enough reason to join Seattle as that type of investment will never come from King County or from within White Center its self. Prosperity or status quo is not a hard decision to make.
          P.S. My “handle” does not reflect my day to day opinions as I myself work for the “Man”

          • CC_Rez says:

            OK, but like I said. If the State of WA is willing to dole out that much money to Seattle, there is no reason why WC/HL can’t appropriate those funds (from the State of WA) to serve their own area. Seattle may take those funds or a majority of it to fill their coffers to other programs that are not WC/HL related. That alone is enough reason to SAY NO TO ANNEXATION. I’m not so sure how to view your comment, “prosperity or status quo is not a hard decision to make” Hmmm sounds pretty patronizing, and insinuating that WC/HL needs Seattle in order to govern its own area. I realize that WC/HL has it’s problems, but Seattle has a whole host of other problems. As a smaller community, WC/HL REZ will have much more say in their own destiny, and how they define their own” prosperity and status quo”.

          • Question Authority says:

            I am positive the State would insure it’s funds given to Seattle for taking on the newly annexed area would be monitored for area specific needs. Police, Fire, Utilities, Roads, Parks, Social Services ETC. That money would not become part of the general fund and Seattle would be prudent to not violate the incentive program. Why such hesitation, the City is structured to provide a future while that area and it’s lack of governance would not be able to.

  14. Jimmy says:

    Well it looks like small business under 500 employees in Seattle will not get $15 minimum wage until 2021. http://murray.seattle.gov/minimumwage/#sthash.l7f5jZEL.dpbs

  15. CC_Rez says:

    @Question Authority – You must not know how inefficient government services can be. You ought to question authority more, Question Authority. You say, “I am positive that the State would insure its funds…..would be monitored” And you also said, “I myself work for the Man” Your handle seems to be an absolute oxymoron towards your attitude towards government services. I’ve seen so much government waste from my friend who works for King County, and campaigning for his friend who was running as a true fiscal conservative for a King County council position. You being a worker for “the Man” must support this annexation for job security reasons, maybe??? If WC/HL can receive that much in funding from the State, and also be able to collect taxes from it’s own rez and biz, then I’m sure they can provide all those services (police, fire, utilities, etc) on their own.

    Wow, you have had a really condescending tone towards WC/HL on this blog. You said, “Why such hesitation, the City is structured to provide a future while that area and it’s lack of governance would not be able to.” My answer to that would be after years of living in the City of Seattle, I can tell you as an outsider (of White Center/Highline community) and by personal experience that it’s not all that rosy at the other side of the fence. White Center is not some desolate and derelict destination. It’s a very nice diverse community that is up and coming. I’m sure there are some bright WC/HL Rez that could provide the leadership needed in order to be a successful incorporated city on its own.

    • Question Authority says:

      In closing this discussion I will add the following opinion based on current reality.
      Nothing is free or without consequence, but Rat City cannot stay an island for ever and the offer on the table will never get better. If there was even the slightest chance of self governance it would happened already. Granted the area has shown some growth but the future is clear, King County is done supporting them and poorly at that. Vote yes and take the money and the support.

      • CC_Rez says:

        What are you talking about, “If there was even the slightest chance of self governance it would happened already.”? Seattle was a totally different city years ago. The last annexation was in the 50s with North Seattle. Seattle has been on a growth spurt in the last decade and now needs the space and the money from the tax base of White Center, Boulevard Park, and Top Hat. Have you even seen North Seattle in the past decades? Even in places like Columbia City have not been all that great until recently. They probably would’ve been better off becoming it’s own city and not have to deal with the BS from the City of Seattle. You never answered the question of whom you work for (other than the MAN), but it’s pretty clear you have some hidden agenda (City of Seattle employee, perhaps). I came out clean with my position and the reasons why I feel that White Center should say NO TO ANNEXATION. I really hope the residents of White Center reads this blog and sees this exchange between you and I. I hope that they will see every reason that being their own “island” is a special thing, and that they can make it on their own and be a success. This whole talk from you about “the offer on the table will never get better” is complete BS!!! As long as things keep on getting crazy for the City of Seattle, White Center will always be a stone throw away to get away from all of that. SAY NO TO ANNEXATION AND NO TO CRAZY SEATTLE POLITICS AND HIGH TAXES!!!

        • Jimmy says:

          Well in reading this back and forth cc_rez where is your proof the taxes are going to go up.Now have gone to the county or any of the political Representatives in the area. State your idea to them instead of getting in a back and forth no actually proof of your facts argument on a blog. Also typing in CAPS LOCK DOES NOT GET YOUR POINT ACCROSS ANY BETTER its just annoying and not needed. It tends to make people think your a child playing around on blog to get attention. Now if you really want white center to become it’s own city that’s fine but go the right way of doing this go talk to your polical Representatives and Neighbors about your ideas and see what they have to say in person and not just a couple of posts back and forth on a blog. Or look into starting a petition to get your idea up for a vote.

          • CC_Rez says:

            Jimmy, first of all I know from first hand being a home owner in Seattle what is involved in The City’s politics and frivolous initiatives. If I could do it all over again, I probably would have bought my house in Boulevard Park or Top Hat. And so my motivation for being here is to warn White Center, Top Hat, and Boulevard Park what they are potentially voting for when it comes time to go to the polls. Secondly, you never expressed your position on this matter. Are you a moderator of this blog or something? And lastly, I really don’t care if ALL CAPS bother you. I’m here to get the message out and the caps were to highlight and emphasize the message. There’s no need to waste time to petition for anything when this initiative will more than likely be on the ballots. The only thing to do is to get the message out to its residence and to VOTE NO ON ANNEXATION!

  16. Jimmy says:

    Well cc_Rez I can see the type of person you are. All your really doing is trying to get in back forth bulls**t arguments. Now for my opinion on this white center Seattle annexation. I live in burien so I am not going be able vote on this annexation my self. But back when my neighborhood was part of unincorporated king county just like white center. I witness this same bulls**t arguments of oh my god your taxes and utility’s are going sky rocket and all the other fear mongering. You know what happen when the annex came not much change other than are taxes went up by about $7 a month (wow oh my god run for the hills) are parks got cleaned up with new tables and benches and garbage cans install. We now have street cleaners that come by clean the streets off and on. Also some of the phone/cable/utility company’s have came out and replace old wires along are streets and upgraded there systems. Also the police came in and clear out a lot of the big time criminals around two.

    oh yeah the whole caps locks thing doesn’t bother me it just makes you look like you have to yell to get your point a crossed now why would yell at a anonymous person just for having a different view than you. Also I never said I am moderator of this blog or any blog. If you walk talk to the editor of this blog there is link on the bottom of the page. I just have read your back and forth conversation and had some questions of my own.

    • CC_Rez says:

      You live in Burien. Burien…..Seattle…..not the same thing. Two totally different animals. Burien has a population of about 50,000, while Seattle has a population of over 650,000. As a home owner of Seattle, you are on the hook for every multi-billion dollar proposition that passes. And believe me, Seattle has tons of projects out there. Projects that White Center, Boulevard Park, and Top Hot will probably receive very little benefit if any at all. Even though they would have to pay for them through their property taxes. For every 100K that your house is worth, you are taxed accordingly. And believe it’s much more than $7/mo lol

      If you are a longtime resident and home owner in White Center, Boulevard Park, and Top Hat, there is no way in anybody’s right mind that wants to sign up for this. It’s kind of like someone who signs up for a gym membership and doesn’t go enough to justify the monthly out of pocket expense, or paying for HOA dues even though you barely use the amenities. Except in this case, once residents are signed up for this (annexation), they really can’t walk away, unless they secede from The City of Seattle.

      Here is a list of who I think would benefit from an annexation:

      A) The City of Seattle Leadership and Employees because they now have an expanded tax base that can now foot for their pet projects and hiring more wasteful bureaucracy.

      B) Real Estate Developers because of Seattle’s initiatives towards high density housing. So all of those homes that are cute little cottages, or mid-century moderns sitting on a quarter acre. You can kiss those goodbye because developers will make plans to put 4 town homes on those properties. This same stuff happened to me where a beautiful 1902 Victorian home was razed and bulldozed to put up 3 four story town homes with rooftop decks next door. It did not affect my view of Downtown Seattle, but there has been talks of another similar development that may compromise my view.

      C) Home flippers who recently purchased a home in the area, and want to make a fast buck on the new appraised value on the home that is now located within the city limits of Seattle.

      And if you argue that annexation to the City of Seattle will provide all these snazzy park services, frequent litter cleanup, and better law enforcement. Think again. West Seattle has been annexed to Seattle for quite some time, and there many areas that are unimproved. I’m sure that residents especially in Boulevard Park and Top Hat are totally fine with what they have. They’d say “Why should we end up paying more money for services we don’t use, and we won’t get anytime soon???”

      • Jimmy says:

        ahh I said they went up by $7 not that they are $7 a month. If people really want your idea then why is it no one else is really commenting on this saying there for it. Why are unwilling to talk to your local political representatives about this. Why is it all you seem to be doing is continuing a bulls**t argument with no proof to back up anything you have said. When your giving options of what you could do better you come back with more bulls**t. CC_Rez now show your proof and take your proof to your local representatives. Because posting this back and forth nonsense on a blog with no proof of your claims is not going to get you anywhere in life.

        By the way you chose to by a house in Seattle there political views and such that you have mention are nothing new and wildly available amounts of media coverage on a lot of these situations. But you still chose to live in Seattle and make it your home but now with this annexation you think Seattle is this evil monster hmm interesting or do you really just not want to be part of white center or have white center be part of Seattle.See CC_Rez there is always two side to a story. Why did you assume I am moderator of this blog or why would assume that QofA has some hidden agenda.What does this have to do with your argument. Why would resort in using caps locks to try to get your point a cross. These are things people on blogs do to get attention and down play people with a different view then them. Ok if you have proof of the information that you talked about then show it stop the bulls**t.

        • CC_Rez says:

          Ahh, I short phrased that sentence about $7/mo for taxes. Whoops my bad! But $7/mo increase in taxes after annexing with Burien? Really? That’s all? Here’s a link to just one of the many levies that Seattle passed just recently for 2 propositions for over a cool $1 Billion for the Seattle Public Schools:

          https://www.seattleschools.org/UserFiles/Servers/Server_543/File/District/Departments/Capital%20Projects%20and%20Planning/BTA%20IV/Levies%20Information-Winter%202016%20brochure-Final.pdf

          If you read page 2 of that PowerPoint in that link, you find that they says: The 2017-19 estimated amount a homeowner will pay in total school property taxes on a home with an assessed value of $450,000 is $1,156 per year. This is an increase of $140 per year over the 2016 estimate.

          Was that enough proof for you? Or do think I’m just pulling all of this out of my a**?

          I bought my house over a decade ago in Columbia City. A lot has changed since then. During the time when I was shopping for a house, I was also contemplating on buying in Top Hat or Boulevard Park. From all the equity that I have made on my current home, I can literally buy another modest starter home in White Center, Top Hat, and Boulevard in full today. If I’m considering moving over there, I don’t want to move back to the same situation (constant increase in taxes) that I have experienced in Seattle since then. So while I’m trying to convince the residents to say NO TO ANNEXATION, I am also trying to have White Center, Boulevard Park, and Top Hat as an option to relocate. That’s my agenda. What’s your agenda? You now have all these wonderful services that Burien is providing you at measly increase of $7/mo in taxes. Why are you so pro-annexation for this community, now that you are part of another community in the City of Burien?

          • Jimmy says:

            Well cc_rez for one I am not pro-annexation. But I hate seeing people act in stupid ways to get a point a cross on blogs or forums. Now I don’t have any type of so called agenda towards this situation. I find it funny that you are the one with this so called agenda to keep these area open as a option for you to buy a house. Taxes are always going to go up for the most part this what is called a cost of living this why if your good employer or employee you should get a cost of living raise or provide a cost of living raise to your employees. Also most cities plan a budget out at about two to four years in advanced so some times there are fluctuations in those results. Like here in burien we had a couple school levies that did not pass because there were to many fluctuations and also non teacher staff getting big raises that seem to be a bit much to some.Then there has been some issues with a trespass ordinance witch some people don’t like. I for one can see both sides of these arguments and understand where people are coming from on both sides.But then some people get on these local blogs and want to tear each other a part with stupid nonsense. That takes away time and effort from the situation there originally talking about. I mean I have done it my self over the years unfortunately and have kinda learned from my mistakes and seeing other peoples mistakes.

          • Question Authority says:

            Jimmy, your spot on about how CC Rez is totally out of touch with reality. He/She states that Columbia City should have become it’s own city so as not to be troubled by the policy and decision making of Seattle. The problem with their argument is – Columbia City has been part of Seattle since 1907 !!! Now they claim they are considering buying in the White Center area as a bargain and don’t want Seattle getting in the way, now or ever. In addition Columbia City is about 30 minutes from here and CC Res is sticking their nose in business pretty far from home. Why ?

  17. CC_Rez says:

    @Question Authority If I’m considering on making the move to Boulevard Park or Top Hat, then I’d like to voice my opinion if I’m going to be part of the community. How is it that I’m out of touch with reality when I’ve lived in Seattle for nearly 25 years, and also own a house in Columbia City? I think people from the community would appreciate the POV from someone who actually is part of The City of Seattle. You’ve been nothing but condescending about this wonderful and diverse community throughout this blog. You, yourself have called it a “renegade area” in need of “clean up”. Yet, yourself are not part of this community. Columbia City is NOT 30 minutes away from White Center. Please don’t twist that around, just like you have been all throughout this blog. You yourself claim to be an employee of “The Man”. That in itself should draw a red flag on this forum, and to anybody that would take your comments into consideration.

    • Question Authority says:

      I live less than five minutes from the area in question and grew up around ten minutes from there, so my understanding of the area one might think to be pretty knowledgeable.
      My working for the “Man” is for a paycheck and in no way influences my opinion of that area which I know a great deal about. I visit quite often and have witnessed it suffer under the lack of King County support for twice as long as you have lived in Seattle. My opinion about it’s drawbacks and lack of appeal come from first hand interactions in the community and I believe it would be of great benefit to accept the Seattle offer. If you want out of Seattle move to Skyway or East, it’s closer to you and unincorporated and not made the news like this topic has.

      • CC_Rez says:

        What? You don’t want me moving over to White Center because my POV about the City of Seattle differs from you? Is that what you are saying? At least I have positive things to say about the community. Unlike yourself. And sure, working for “The Man” does have some bearing into the conversation since any additional tax revenue collected would ensure money to pay for your checks. And you mentioned something about status quo? I think it bothers you that someone (myself) is actually willing to question authority and think outside of the box. The longtime residents of this area seem to side with my POV since they don’t want to be entangled in Seattle politics and bureaucracy. They’ve seen all the craziness of Fremont, Ballard, Columbia City, etc. I don’t think they want 6 story no personality glass and steel monstrosities to take over the White Center CBD. And I don’t think they want to see neighboring homes being bull dozed and razed for ugly town homes and micro apartments in Top Hat and Boulevard Park. If anybody should move, it should be you for just your negativity in how you see this community. White Center is a beautiful and diverse community that offers something that most of Seattle does not. Columbia City or the 98118 zip code was once touted as the most diverse zip code in the nation. Something that I felt being proud to be part of. But now, Columbia City is starting to look like Ballard. I see the same thing going on in Downtown Burien now. I don’t want to see White Center to become that and lose all of its multi cultural flavor. To you, all of that probably seems like a ghetto shanty town to you, and needs to have The City of Seattle to intervene and push the gentrification agenda down the throats of its denizens.

        • Question Authority says:

          It’s called inevitable growth due to a robust economy, your take on urban density is a classic NIMBY argument. You want your own private diverse neighborhood that’s an island, but surrounded by all the amenities to make you happy in your little world. It’s not going to happen and you can blame Jeff Bezos and his ilk for causing all you hate. You want a diverse island, move to Tonga, and when did I ever say which “Man” I work for so you speculating is just that. FYI, I’m going to be paid no matter where you live or want to achieve your unrealistic nirvana.

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